He said he used a method made known in the novel The Day of the Jackal, and obtained the birth certificate of a child who died in infancy around the same time Garrett was born.
The hearing related to a false affidavit Garrett had sworn to the court while he faced the charge of stealing the identity of a dead child to get a passport in He was a practising lawyer at the time but did not mention the Tongan conviction. Your facts on Tonga and Samoa are false based on your History! They evolved a unique social system, neither feudal nor capitalist nor socialist, that was working pretty well until the s, but which is now in possibly terminal crisis.
Some folks see poverty as a mark of honour, and contrast the relatively autarkic life of the Tongan small farmer with the decadence of the Western suburbanite.
Auckland and other emigration destinations are Babylons, where it necessary to live and work, but from which one can retreat, eventually, to the homeland. Was he not academic enough for you? Autarky is the quality of being self-sufficient. Usually the term is applied to political states or their economic systems.
Have you come around to accepting the overwhelming evidence against your earlier claim? The early European visitors I was thinking about where the Spaniards, who got to the Niuas in the late 16th century, and saw how the Tongan empire was expanding there. William Mariner writes in the middle of a civil war; of course his text is full of violence. But Cook, writing a few decades earlier, remarks on the complete absence of forts on Tongatapu, and the lushness and order of the gardens there.
He compares the place to Holland. He was writing before the Civil War. The archaeology speaks of a centralised, aggressive state turning into a powerful empire. Both Tonga and Samoa are intensely proud of their nation. Samoa believes itself the centre of Polynesia. The Americans had to deal with the awkward situation that when they took over American Samoa the Very highest chief of the whole of the Samoas had his home on a small outlying island in their control. They tries to ban the title Tui Manua.
Although I suppose Garett is making a point that the term Pasifika is an artificial politicised ethnic category used to denote a group supposedly disadvantaged and oppressed by whitey, and the benefits and sympathy that flow from being part of that victim group.
There is in fact no need for Pasifika, when we already have Pacific islander — after all Pasifika could hardly be an indigenously derived term surely? Pasifika is Samoan for the pacific.
The funniest thing is that the Pacific ocean was so named because it was relatively peaceful as oceans go …. Its about proximity. There is a natural rivalry that arises from proximity. That is why Serbs hate Croats, Chinese hate Japanese, the English French wars over centuries, until they both found Germany to be the greater threat, and numerous other European internecine conflicts and of course Africa too. But it is a good counter to the nonsense antics and campaigns of the likes of intellectual fusspots like, say, Don Brash, who are unaware of the extent to which they are influenced by some Enlightenment assumptions, and who foolishly insist and try to install public policy on the flawed basis that human beings are inherently…individuals.
I disagree about significant variations in extent — its more the socio-economic circumstances that create the rivalry than the culture itself. Europeans turned on one another with horrific brutality just 70 years ago, yet many of those feelings have dissipated and they have by and large lived peaceably together since then.
The fact is during a heated sporting event, with people dressed in their national colours, and a bit of alcohol and passion, there will be scraps. Tribalism can lie dormant, or it can be induced. No different from the case of white Englishmen who go mental when supporting their various football teams, but would otherwise get along quite well.
Then I suggest you are viewing life through a Marxist prism, whether you realise it or not! Also, as the West had a mortgage on technology — e. Tend to agree. No different from the case of the English who go mental when supporting their various football teams.
Hence David Garrett acknowledged: Tribalism, and its close cousin nationalism, is to a greater or lesser extent, part of the human condition. So I think you are saying something similar, just just putting the emphasis elsewhere. Scots, German and Cockney. I still feel for what the English have done to my Irish forebears.
Irrational but real. For goodness sake. The first ones over were Normans , invited by a dispossesed Irish man. The Irish then payed feudal loyalty to Henry II. Having ceded that to the Crown Ireland became through its own rulers, a vassal to the Crown. Such assumptions do not neccessarily deny family or tribal or national feelings, but rather insist that we should treat people as individuals rather than treating them on the basis of their group qualities perceived or true, even though in some circumstances there is a probabilistic justification to do so.
It is a noble assumption and has advanced human rights all over the world. Just the un-examined fascination, and assumption it must be the norm, or is best in all cases and situations. Dave Mann, There are aspects where Japan and China do not see eye to eye. The Chinese are apt to drag up Japanese war crimes committed generations ago, when it suits them.
Sins of the fathers and all that. It would be in the best interests of both nations and the Koreas for Japan and China to improve their relations. How to deal with that? Thanks for the interesting YouTube video Odakyu-sen. Wow… that was pretty mild stuff. Have a look at this.
To summarize: populism is beginning to stir in Japan once more, but the Japanese version of Donald Trump is still some way off. I was told by some of my factory staff who attended the league match in Hamilton, that it was the women folk who were causing all the trouble and that the men folk were generally well behaved.
Go figure. And so on. Almost every village in Tonga has some sort of connection with another Pacific society. He did a research project on his village, collecting traditions. Tongans are certainly nationalistic, and can be a bit superior towards other Pacific peoples, but a shared history and shared blood soften any animosities. But then what would she know? So not really then. I noticed him waving his PhD around.
Political science? Nasal Inhalation Therapy? He should learn to keep it in his trousers whatever it is. By facts of course, in this context at least, you refer to anecdotes collated and written down by people who can thereby be described as scholars. Not exclusively anecdotes, no. But in your haste to critique Scott Hamilton as a knob and advise him to keep his PhD in his trousers you seem to have missed the fact he mentioned, among other things…archaeology.
The only people who could possibly have any idea about this would be academics who have spoken to scholars who travelled tirelessly around the world interviewing the million ethnic Tongans and documenting those anecdotes bearing in mind that Tonga had no written language.
Yeah, which is why scholars also rely on, among other things and as stated before…archaeology. And botany. No, anecdote and oral history are two different things. You guys. Whatever shall we do? Perhaps I should try it again but this time give them a family tree so they can see how much they really love each other?
You did. I thought you were joking. My mistake! Unlike you. Is it still the biggest and baddest in the marina? And the top of the line Audi going well I trust? How fast have you driven it lately??
Oh dear me old boy. I appreciate the high regard you hold me in but alas that was never the situation but an exaggeration born out of your frustration with my continued ownership of you. But nice try ob. Maggy: thanks very much for that link…I am now able to utterly ignore the clown, no matter how good he is with dates, and notwithstanding his really quite awesome academic qualifications.. Me, as a white supremacist?
Yep, I hate my mixed race children and get out in my white pointy hood outfit whenever I get the chance…And funnily enough the Tongans I mix with seem never to have noticed my white supremacist tendencies…. His insight is only eclipsed by his ego DG. But he makes the very common mistake many palangis make up there: they are there for 6 months or a year, and think they understand the place…I on the other hand absolutely realise that I will never fully understand Tongan culture and society…it is an incredibly complex society…many layers of the onion, as my late friend Malafihi, a Tongan royal, once said to me.
Same reason pathetic white New Zealanders tolerate being called Pakeha by the disgusting local scum. It would not surprise me if Winston First has done a deal with the fat kraut. The issue is not expertise, but knowing how to make an argument. Scholarship is a collective activity: nobody knows everything about everything. But when we make an argument, no matter how humble, about a subject, then we can support that argument with facts and with references to the research of people who know more than us.
Anyway, if I may be allowed a Garretian argument from anecdote, let me say: I just saw a young bloke drive through the Glen Eden shops in a white ute festooned with Tongan as well as Samoan flags. I noticed DG trying to portray Tongans as violent drunks. His three strikes policy exposes him as a hypocrite and an all round odious man of questionable morals and he should be treated with the scorn he rightly deserves.
How do people know when their pet topic is going to turn up somewhere on the blog so they can piss all over it? PC crapfest and media endorsed made-up redefinitions of society by activists. David — As as lawyer I believe you are in a position of privilege. When one has privilege there is an obligation to treat less privileged groups with respect rather than undermining them.
Login to comment or vote. A guest post by David Garrett : I have watched with some amusement the restricted coverage in the MSM of the violence and riots before and after the Tonga — Samoa rugby league test in Hamilton on Saturday.
Note that guest posts are the views of the author, not of Kiwiblog. Like this: Like Loading Communism ruled more than half of Europe for a large part of the 20th century. Indeed, Europeans have been at each others throats for quite some time.
Cultures that have had a long history of law and order including property rights will tend to act less tribally than those without Really? Writing has been around for a long time, cmm, in many cultures.
Your negative assumptions about European colonialism are just bigoted nonsense. And massive increases in lifespan and standard of living for the colonised peoples. New Zealand. In absence of facts, start a conspiracy. Yep, fair call. Who implied it? Steady on. They were only trying to bury the hatchet. Are you allowed within one hundred metres of a hospital in Tonga?
Like a cork in a toilet, the dickhead Morrissey can be guaranteed to pop up. Leave him be. Do you actually know anything about Tongan law or are you just will fully ignorant? Thanks for reminding me of the mentality of lefties — always play the man not the ball. Nasty, just nasty. And then there was the bombshell that blew his sorry arse out of parliament and into infamy. Fuck of prick.
And thanks to our host Mr Farrar for allowing guest posts on his blog. So which side do the children of a Samoan x Tongan union align? David Thank you.
As they confirm your hypothesis, I thought you might find these examples of interest. A very good article. Thank you, DG!
Pasifika is in use in Samoa. Speaking truth can never be unlawful. All non white tribes suck when it comes to high social trust. Make Western Civilisation Great Again. I see the same endemic violence here among the Maori. No doubt your collective experiences will have been similar. Your post wrenched my soul. Thank you for sharing with us. We whiteys are Russian.
Or did we originally come off the Steppes too?! Well, we might have started off in Central Asia before coming through the Caucasus. DNA will unravel lots more yet. A mother load of vids of Vibrants brawling.
Well argued. No shit more connected to reality than some academic debate team turd. When we are at the forefront of so much change, it's easy to forget that other people around us find change more challenging. Maoris, Tongans, Fijians, all peoples who traditionally hate each other. It is also 'unprofessional', because that is exactly what it is i. Give your team the tools they need to support customers as efficiently as possible.
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Between ten and twenty each season are fresh from American Samoa, Samoa, or Tonga. Instances would certainly also occur where it was necessary to yield to the superior power of the enemy , and again to seek It was in this condition that the Malays found themselves , when after taking possession of the Samoa and Tonga Beings with a need to do is make any decisions about your marriage in a group then group We Tongans came from Samoa.
Case closed. Tonga is the name of the wind as these were ocean people. It blows south east. Tongans came from Fiji. I believe the Tu'i Manua was before the Tu'i Tonga. From comparing the history between the two I can see that Samoa seemed to play a very important part in Tonga's early history.
I seriously believe that Tongans were Samoans who rebelled and sailed south to establish their own empire. The Tu'i Tonga dynasty mimics the Tu'i Manu'a dynasty. I am Tongan but the more I trace my bloodline it keeps leading me back to Samoan princesses.
I know that the language spoken by Royalty is more Samoan than Tongan. Always remember that Tongans are very proud and stubborn people which is obvious just as an older sibling is patient with a younger sibling Unity makes us stronger Tui manua king of ofu olesega tau etc tui manua ma Samoa atoa. Ancient samoan empire predating European contact along with the tuipulotu aka tuifiti Fijian empire.
Samoa was divided at the time of invasion into districts with its own chiefs ruling each district respectively. You should look up tuimanua fitiaumua he was a warrior king who conquered Tonga and Fiji also the current Tongan king dynasty the tuikanukupolu descend from a chief that was exiled from safata Samoa when he lost a war.
That's similar to the story I heard! Tui Tonga was the ruler of Samoa basically and allied with the Fijians? Due to an incident , the people rose up led by malietoa and forced them to flee! Tui came upon an island therefore naming it Tonga after his name sake?
And so the malietoa dynasty began? I know we are 1 people , but the eloping with Fijians would explain why they are generally bigger and darker? Any Fijian input? It's the northernmost island of Fiji, but my mom is from Cakaudrove.
A Fijian linguist, Paul Qereti, says that the first people who arrived in Wallis and Futuna is from cikobia. They called futuna that too cause of a plant named Futuna. In Samosan folk songs and mystical legends , Uvea is mentioned frequently. Most got to do with the conquest of Tui Manu'a, so in this case, Futuna would be an great trading port between Fijians and Samoans, as Samoan legends says that two sisters learnt tattoos from Fiji.
In addition, most of the dialect and tapa designs from the province of Cakaudrove are quit similar to Samoans then Tongans. In the last years, Fiji only had three chiefs who controlled various provinces.
Fighting sports yeah. But Tongans are all rounders that's why they have a golfer 2 nba players a baseball player. Both Samoa and Tongan athletes are gifted don't make it a who's better then who. We all Polynesians. Polynesians all came from the same place but just chose to settle in different places around the pacific. Tongans call Samoa "Ha'amoa", which loosely translate to chicken bloodline for lack of a better word After finding the islands in the south they probably couldn't think of a name so they just called it Tonga or toga in Samoan , which means south in both language.
Time and the amount of ocean between us somehow altered our cultures and languages, but the similarities are still there. Point being is, if our ancestors can unite as one and be brave enough to conquer the biggest ocean on the planet, we can do the same and unite to make polynesia a happier and more peaceful place as I am sure our ancestors intended. Don't let the white man scholar tell you that our ancestors were savages and all that BS. Because they don't want to admit that our ancestors were the greatest and most intelligent explorers this planet has ever seen.
Our ancestors didn't conquer the greatest ocean on earth by luck, they were smart asf. They would be kicking themselves to see what they worked so hard for and made sacrifices for go to waste because we've adopted the white man mentality of needing proof to validate something. We polynesians are better than that. Educate your heart before educating your mind. Be one Polynesia. Make Polynesia the great peaceful place it was destined and intended to be by our ancestors.
Us polynesians deserve credit for creating the best joke in history My mother's grandfather was English; my father's grandmother was German. I don't go around hating or clubbing English, Irish or German people. What the hell is wrong with you Samoans and Tongans? Get over it and act like rational human beings instead of pre- historic Neanderthals! If it's either blood related, or by marriage.
We are all one, as we came from the same islands. We are all navigators. We crossed the seven seas to make home. But we chose the islands. So whatever hate your against samoans, or Tongans, to let let u know, we are all the same The history of the Tonga and Samoa NZ goes back to when the samoan guy in otara chopped the tongan guy into pieces. Damn yeah heard about poor guy even though I'm samoan but if I knew those samoans properly facing the flying plates, dads massive hand that he wanks with Tonga is like a big brother to us Usos.
They were just waiting for the day we put our big boy pants on to take our island back. Warrior's life. There's no shame here. Only the testament to our bloodlines as a Toa,for both island nations. Who the hell cares!! Samoa and Tonga have a beautiful history with a lot of good and bad. We can debate all day and all that does is create more hatred.
Whether you like it or not, of all the groups in the south pacific, we are more identical in everything compared to other south pacific nations. Nobody knows for sure what happened in the past. We have some truths, but mostly speculations. Tongans and Samoans believe in Jesus Christ and God.
We also believe that we will live with them again someday after this life. I promise you, you will have a chance to ask him all your questions, and he will gladly answer them, and you will have a better understanding of things. Until then, love one another. Someone mentioned in this thread that when the tsunamis hit the islands, Samoa reached out to help Tonga even during its own time of need. I'm sure there have been instances where Tonga has helped Samoa.
Anyway you look at it, you cannot deny the love we have for each other. The hatred I see now days stem from gangs. I'm Samoan, but my best friends in college, whom I still am in contact with to this day, are Tongans. We played college ball together. We ate together, laughed together, made fun of each other and each other's culture together, partied together, struggled together, and we came out the best of friends. I know I could never have made it through some tough times back then without all the usos and tokos that were there with me and shared in my struggle.
In fact, one of my tokos is who brought me back to God and I will always love him for that. Tongans went to Samoa to keep their bloodline Polynesian. But instead passed on Negro African traits. So we kicked them out. Now, Samoa, Toga and Fiji are busting the world at large in sports folks. Yep throw in racial slurs about white people for a change!
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